One Canadian infantry officer is said to have commented that it could take five men to keep one Ross rifle in operation! About half the Ross rifles were acquired by the State of New York for “… defense purposes” (State Guard units). Ross was well connected in Canadian society and eventually landed his first contract in 1903 for 12,000 Mark I Rossrifles. Obsolescent .30-40 Krag rifles were called back into service, but additional arms were still needed. Due to these problems, it is reported that soon after the Battle of Ypres in 1914, some Canadian soldiers threw away their Ross rifles after they had hopelessly jammed. During WW1, the U.S. Government purchased 20,000 Ross rifles and bayonets from Canada. C $10.00. It required .288" bullets, as .284s just keyholed on every shot. The scabbard is a standard leather Mk. And there were also a number of sub-variants of each type. Mk. The Ross rifle established an excellent reputation as a sporting rifle around the turn of the century. The "Rifle, Ross, Mark 2" followed next and this was a mark brought about out of sheer necessity to help improve the Mark 1 rifle line as a whole. We have not identified this mark, but it may well be a taken out of CEF service marking. or Best Offer +C $5.00 shipping. Brand New. This situation could cause potentially disastrous results to the shooter. The markings also show a mark CEF in a circle over 16. Save ross rifle bayonet to get e-mail alerts and updates on your eBay Feed. All of the Ross's were replaced in the summer of 1916 with the exception of the Ross Snipers. Ross settled a gun factory in Hartford, Connecticut, with machinist J. This happens to be a great thing because our Ross Rifle happens to be US marked as well. These bear the distinctive markings: ROSS RIFLE CO. / QUEBEC / PATENTED 1907 on the pommel, right (obverse); various acceptance/inspection marks can be found on the left side (reverse). The butt shows the marking to the 24 Batt C.E.F. The scabbard for the Ross bayonet was made of brown leather and had a reinforced throat. The Mk II marking is stamped "50" after the "II". Although the US never adopted the Ross Rifle, they did buy approximately 20,000 of them. During the Second Boer War, a minor diplomatic fight broke out between Canada and the United Kingdom, after the latter refused to license the Lee–Enfield SMLE design for production in Canada. It simply wasn’t up to the task. Sir Charles Ross also introduced the .280 Ross cartridge, one of the first commercial high-velocity sporting cartridges. Ross opened a manufacturing facility in Quebec City in 1903 and obtained a contract with the Canadian government for 12,000 Mark I rifles. The word 'parent' is used loosely in this context, where perhaps 'uncle' would be more suitable, since the cadet rifle bears a similar relationship to its big brother as does the 1906 Pattern War Office Miniature rifle to the S.M.L.E (Rifle, Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield).303 British service rifle … Sir Charles Ross offered his newly-designed straight-pull rifle as a replacement. © 2021 National Rifle Association of America. While the Ross rifles did not see overseas combat duty in the hands of the American Doughboys (which was a good thing given their prior performance with the Canadians), the rifles did make available a number of badly needed M1903s and M1917s for combat units rather than training duty. Some marking on the Ross… This bayonet and scabbard were … This is when the Ross was still on issue at the front. Tuesday, May 28, 2013. The barrel-mounted folding-leaf rear sight was similar to the German Mauser’s sight. This number is found on the receiver and the bolt. Original Item: Only One Available. The history of the British bayonet goes back to the 17th century, and because of this the British bayonet is one of the … 6 watchers. Bayonet alone is 14.5/8″ in total with a 10″ long blade. The Canadian government was initially approached by the adjutant-general of the State of New York to see if some arrangements could be made to obtain sufficient numbers of the Ross rifles for training the New York State Guard troops (analogous to today’s National Guard) slated for eventual deployment overseas. Item #37052 Canadian Unit/US Ordnance Marked Ross Mk.2*** Military Rifle. Free returns. It is reported that many of these rifles were still in their World War I-era Canadian military packaging when they were returned. Limited numbers of Mark IIs, fitted with American Model 1913 Warner & Swasey “Musket Sights” (prismatic rifle telescopes), continued to be used by some Canadian snipers. To help alleviate the shortfall, the U.S. Model of 1917 rifle, a slightly modified version of the .303 British Pattern 1914 rifle, which had been manufactured under contract by three American firms, was adopted. or Best Offer +C $5.00 shipping. The blade of the Ross rifle bayonet was somewhat unusual and has been described as having a “butcher knife” configuration. Even with the M1917 and increased ’03 production, there remained a troubling shortage of rifles with which to train recruits and draftees flooding into camps across the country. Body markings on a 1931 No. Another serious flaw in the Ross was that the rifle’s bolt could be incorrectly assembled, which could permit it to fire without being securely locked. The pommel has typical Ross Rifle Co. markings with Broad Arrow on the obverse, and struck out unit markings on the underside. The pommel is marked as follows; “ROSS RIFLE CO. / QUEBEC / PATENTED 1907.” The obverse has numerous acceptance and date markings;- broad arrow surrounded by the capital “C” of Canada. There were few takers, and the price was later reduced to $3.50, but they still weren’t big sellers. With its long barrel, the Ross was an excellent hunting rifle, and a fine sniper weapon. Tens of thousands of Canadian soldiers who fought in France and Belgium in the early years of the First World Warcarried the Ross rifle into battle – and many hated the weapon for its unreliability in combat. The unit and this rifle probably saw service in the early battles of 1915-16 such as Mount Sorrel, The Somme and others. However, as a sporting rifle, the Ross became quite popular after the war. The Ross rifle was touted as having several advantages over the Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE), including lighter weight, a faster rate of fire and easier disassembly. The wood shows its' obvious WW1 and post war usage. While still a student at Eton College, Ross received his first firearm patent in 1893. US Marked CANADIAN Mark II ROSS Model 1905 Straight Pull C&R MILITARY Rifle .303 Caliber Infantry Rifle Used in WWI and WWII GI#: 101591140 US Marked CANADIAN Mark II ROSS Model 1905 Straight Pull C&R MILITARY Rifle .303 Caliber Infantry Rifle Used in WWI and WWII Here we present a C&R U.S. While Ross sporting rifles were impressive on the pre-war target ranges, problems quickly arose when the military variants began to see use in the muck and mire of the trenches on the Western Front during the First World War. Mk. But it wasn… All of the Ross's were replaced in the summer of 1916 with the exception of the Ross Snipers. A number of Model 1891 Mosin-Nagant rifles, originally manufactured by Remington Arms and New England Westinghouse for the Russian government, were purchased. Production of the standardized Model 1903 Springfield was ramped up as quickly as possible, but the projected rate of manufacture would not be sufficient. I Trials SN A 1989 rifle that was converted to sniper configuration. The condition is typical of a WW1 trench used rifle with a grey brown petina finish. Canada. The U.S. Army ordnance bomb is stamped … Mk. It has been reported that at least some of the Ross rifles acquired by New York were stamped “NY” on the stocks. Contact Us. While several variants of sporting and commercial rifles were made, the Canadian military was Ross’ most important customer. The rifle had fantastic wood, a few gold inlays, and all-in-all was an excellent example of a classic English sporting rifle. Negotiations were soon taken over by representatives from the U.S. War Dept. At times, recruits were issued broomsticks to practice close-order drill. The left side of the Mark II receiver was marked “Ross Rifle Co. Quebec, Canada 1905/Patented.” Most of the exterior metal components of the Ross rifles were blued, and the stocks and handguards were crafted from good-quality walnut. Eventually about 420,000 Ross service rifles were manufactured, of which the British government purchased 342,040. I and it happens to be in great shape, it’s dated 1911 and also sports the US with the “Flaming Bomb” Mark. Sporting Ross straight pull Rifle Model 1905. Note this rifle does not show a pinned bolt. This handsome rifle has about 70-75% of the original blue remaining, mostly on the barrel, with the balance flaked speckled gray, most … This rifle is marked with the number DA 374. Ross M-10 rifle originally issued in 1916 before the Ross was withdrawn from Canadian Service. While it aided in accuracy and increased muzzle velocity, the relatively long barrel resulted in a rather unwieldy arm in the tight confines of trench warfare. The bore rates as very good, bright with light corrosion and sound rifling. These bayonets were marked with "U.S." and the "flaming bomb" acceptance mark. The bolt was opened and locked by means of rotating locking lugs that operated in a manner somewhat similar to artillery pieces of the era. Maker: Ross Model: Mk.II Caliber:.303 Description: NSN, .303 British, 28 barrel with a bright excellent bore. "This rifle is a fine, 96 year old example example of the last service pattern Mk.II Ross rifle to be issued prior to the Great War. Oval mark is "Ross Rifle Co, Quebec, Canada, 1905 Patented". There is much confusion over the correct name/model for this bayonet and it has been known by many different titles: Canadian Ross Rifle Bayonet, Model 1910 (aka Mark I Ross; aka Model 1905; aka Model 1905/1910; aka Pattern 1908; aka Model 1910, etc). Ross rifles were purchased by the U.S. Army for training purposes shortly after the United States entered WWI in 1917. The bayonet’s unmarked blade was 101⁄8-inches long and about 11⁄8-inches wide. A quantity of spare parts (at a cost of $7,814.78) and about 2,000 Ross rifle manuals were also procured along with 4,629,470 rounds of .303 British ammunition (at a cost of $20 per 1,000). This rifle was actually built on a '98 Mauser, but was chambered for the ".280 Rimless" which is the .280 Ross by another name. The serial number was applied to the bottom of the stock on the grip. It is reported that many of the rifles issued to the Army subsequently had the original Ross slings replaced with M1917 Kerr slings. The Ross rifle variant that saw the widest issue by the Canadian military was the Mark II. The Mark 2 Ross rifle was adopted by the Canadian military in 1911, and in that year work began on the Mark 3. The uniqueness of this item is not found in its condition or rarity but its history. In the early 1970's approximately 200 of these Ross Rifles were purchased by Interarmco and sold by International Firearms in Montreal. The Ross rifle stocks were typically stamped on the right side (between the grip and the butt) with Canadian army unit markings. All types of armaments were in short supply, especially service rifles. The front sight blade was protected by a removable metal cover. In addition the stock is marked M287 which is probably a rack number. This unit (The Victoria Rifles) was mobilized at Montreal and arrived in France and Flanders in September 1915. M.1910 ROSS KNIFE BAYONET: Matching. as training rifles were also sorely needed by the rapidly expanding U.S. Army. The right side of the butt shows the Dominion of Canada Quebec roundel, the MK 3 and 1914 the date of production. This is an example of a Canadian Ross Model 1905 with U.S. markings. All of these rifles showed the DA and numbers on the frames. The Canadian 1st Infantry Division troops deployed to France in World War I with their Ross rifles in hand and were soon in the thick of combat. The left side of the receiver is marked "ROSS RIFLE CO. QUEBEC CANADA. Issued to the Governor General's Foot Guards. Ross rifles were purchased by the U.S. Army for training purposes shortly after the United States entered WWI in 1917. After withdrawal from front-line service, the Ross rifles were utilized by the Canadians and British for training purposes. The markings on the wood and metal tell the history of this item. 1905/PATENTED". Initially, the Canadian military would not admit there was anything wrong, and the rifles continued to be issued to troops in France. This is a very rare bayonet, … The same type of markings were applied to the leather scabbards as well. In late 1917, another source became available when Mark II Ross .303 British rifles were deemed expendable by the Canadian military. There were eventually three major variants of Ross military rifles: the Mark I; Mark II; and Mark III. The Mark II rifles subsequently procured by the U.S. Army were also stamped with an Ordnance Dept. The issue Ross rifles were taken to England to the Canadian repair depot. Sir Charles Ross offered to finance the construction of a factory in Canada to produce his newly designed straight-pull rifle for Canadia… The Ross rifle stocks were typically stamped on the right side (between the grip and the butt) with Canadian army unit markings. The leather scabbard has further US property markings on the integral throat, and earlier CEF issue markings on the belt loop for the 185th Battalion, Cape Breton Highlanders. Even so, the Army still sought additional rifles for training use in the United States. The U.S. Army ordnance bomb is stamped … Marked Canadian Mark II Ross … Dated Nov.1915. This web sling had recently been adopted for the M1903 and M1917 rifles to replace the standardized M1907 leather sling and was readily adaptable to the Ross as well. At some time between 1916 and 1920 this rifle became part of the Arms locker on the H.M.S. A limited number of Ross rifles was made in Great Britain, but the inventor soon decided to move his manufacturing operation to Canada where he had made numerous business and social contacts. In July 1916, Sir Douglas Haig ordered that the Ross rifles be withdrawn from service and replaced by the British SMLE. During the Second Boer War, a minor diplomatic fight broke out between Canada and the United Kingdom, after the latter refused to license the Lee-Enfield SMLE design for production in Canada. The remaining rifles were purchased by the U.S. Army and divided in equal numbers (5,000 each) between Camp Sherman, Ohio, and Camp Devens, Mass. A Ross "Cadet" rifle is shown below compared with its 'parent' M1910 service rifle. 4 MK. After the United States entered the war, the Ross rifles in storage in Canada were viewed as a potential source of training rifles for our nation as well. We are familiar with this part of the history of these Ross's as we purchased a number of them at that time. Collector's Comments and Feedback: 1. Ross Bayonet. by Bruce Canfield - The left side of the receiver is marked "ROSS RIFLE CO. QUEBEC CANADA. The Mk1 bayonet differs from later models by having an extended muzzle ring containing a split spring to aid in securely attaching the bayonet to the muzzle of the rifle. Kingston, NY 12401 Phone: 866.686.7424 We are pleased to offer a unique WW1 Ross M10 rifle. The Ross rifle is a straight-pull bolt action .303 inch-calibre rifle that was produced in Canada from 1903 until 1918. The Ross Mk.II (or "model 1905") rifle was highly successful in target shooting before World War I, but the close chamber tolerances, lack of primary extraction and overall length made the Mk.III (or "1910") Ross rifle … The straight-pull bolt mechanism often became inoperable when exposed to even modest amounts of dirt and mud, which were omnipresent in the trenches. We feel that this rifle tells a unique sotry about the Ross rifle and its' usage. Markings on British and Commonwealth Bayonets . They were replaced with SMLE rifles obtained from dead and wounded British soldiers. Marlin Model 1895: Top-Selling Lever-Action Rifle of 2020, Lord Lovat's Rifles: In Film, Recollection and Reality, I Have This Old Gun: British Pattern 1856 Cavalry Carbine, Henry USA Pump Octagon: The Top-Selling Pump-Action Rifle of 2020. CANADIAN SNIPER ARMY WW2 VINYL MILITARY DECAL. Except for markings, it is virtually identical to theUS Ross Model 1905. Serial number “A 1989” (note the space) was restamped later for clarity, likely during Factory Through Repair (F.T.R.) C $12.00. But it eventually became crystal clear that the Ross was too badly flawed a military rifle to permit continued front-line use. We highly recommend that it should be checked and tested by a licensed gunsmith prior to firing the same. The Ross bayonets procured by the United States also had an Ordnance “flaming bomb” over “U.S.” stamped on the obverse grip. On Nov. 17, 1917, an agreement was reached for the purchase of 20,000 Mark II Ross rifles from the Canadian government, complete with bayonets, scabbards, slings and oil bottles for $12.50 each. Get the American Rifleman Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. By the same time, he made a commercial agreement with the famous gunmaker firm Charles William Lancaster, inventor of the oval bore, to be his exclusive UK agent. This number was probably affixed at the Canadian repair depot. I Bayonet with Scabbard US Markings (Original) ... CANADIAN ROSS RIFLE MK.III - 7 1/8 INCH VINYL DECAL STICKER. Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2021 National Rifle Association of America, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, NRA Outstanding Achievement Youth Award Presented by Brownells, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program. This number was probably affixed at the Canadian repair depot. II rifles went through dozens of modifications, some obvious, others subtle. Sir Charles Ross, Bart., a Scottish nobleman, soldier, inventor and entrepreneurial businessman, offered his newly designed straight-pu… In this design, the bolt … It was this reputation and the unavailability of Lee-Enfield rifles that led to Canada adopting the Ross as its military rifle. The gun weighed slightly less than 10 pounds and had a 30½- barrel with an overall length of 50¼ inches. Rifleman Q&A: When Did M1 Carbines Get Bayonet Lugs? In order to have commonality in ammunition with the SMLE rifle, the Ross military rifles were chambered for the standard .303 British cartridge. The altered "Rifle, Short, Ross, Mark 1" designation was … Canada Marked. When the United States entered the Great War in the spring of 1917, our armed forces were ill-equipped for the conflict. The pommel was marked “Ross Rifle Co./Quebec” with patent dates. This dreadnought battle ship  saw service with the British grand fleet and action in the Battle of Jutland. These marks usually consist of: two-character designation II (for MkII); an "arrowhead shape in a circle," the Canadian Government Ownership Mark; a "crown over a number" is a Ross … By 1926, the remaining unsold Ross rifles were returned to storage until 1940, when they were repatriated to Canada under provisions similar to Lend-Lease. Oval mark is "Ross Rifle Co, Quebec, Canada, 1905 Patented". The superbly accurate Ross proved to be an excellent sniper rifle, because snipers, as compared to the average infantrymen, could keep their rifles relatively clean. Numrich Gun Parts Corporation 226 Williams Ln. The straight “back-and-forth” manipulation of the bolt increased the rapidity of fire (at least in theory) as compared to the more conventional turning-bolt actions. “flaming bomb” and “U.S.” in the same location. Note the flag safety catch mounted at the top of the bolt handle. This rifle is marked with the number DA 374. He subsequently refined the design and, in 1897, received another patent for an unusual straight-pull bolt-action rifle. Last updated: 11/15/2003. Brand New. The issue Ross rifles were taken to England to the Canadian repair depot. It is certainly a unique piece, and I … The Ross rifle was invented by Sir Charles Henry Augustus Fredrick Lockhart Ross, a Scottish nobleman, born in 1872. The rifle was fitted with the “Harris Controlled Platform Magazine,” which was a lever on the right side just in front of the receiver that could be depressed to make loading easier. The 20,000 Ross rifles and bayonets that were obtained by the US during World War I were all marked with “US’ surcharges, as well as the “Flaming Bomb” US Ordnance Department inspection stamp. Model 1912 Cadet "Leftover" (no serial numbers or any other markings) The problems with the Ross in combat were that it was really a sporting design of rifle asked to do the work of a military rifle under trench warfare conditions. G (crown) R for Georgius Rex. The Great Ammo Shortage of 2020: When Will It End? The bolt system was revised and the firing chamber was modified for better acceptance of the 0.303 British cartridge. issue #509. Wooden grips. The Mk II marking is stamped "50" after the "II". The poor fit of the wooden parts and the lack of markings tends to suggest against it being made at the Ross factory, and there is no real evidence to suggest that it was made by Auto-Ordnance. $350.00 Stamped "GGFG" over "80" on the pommel and scabbard mouth piece. Ross bayonet fitting problems Got a bayonet to go with my newly acquired Mk II 3* but it will not fit all the way in. Re: Ross Rifle Co, Quebec 1907 bayonet Can't make out any markings on mine, but it has also been modified as a Trench knife - the catch has also been removed and it has been weighted with braze - I know this has seriously de-valued it, but it's part of its history.

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